A Conversation With SL Entertainer Wytchwhisper Sadofsky http://ping.fm/Wf9Bj

i did an interview a few weeks back an it finally got published :) i was given the link today so i thought id share much love to u all! xoxo wytchie
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To all the people who have entered my life,

I hope you all are having a very happy in the pants holidays! if by any chance your pants are not happy i suggest playing with them till they are lol jk but no seriously. i do sincerely hope u get all u wish for this holiday season an that all your dreams come true in the new year. We tend to reflect on life around this time of year. sometimes joyfully others not as much, sometimes with a bottle of temporary happy in hand regardless of how your reflecting just know that u are appreciated 4 who you are an all that u bring to lives of those around you. Always be aware of how what u do can effect others with a simple smile you can brighten someones day. A simple act of kindness can change a life. Something that seems minor to u may be earth shattering to someone else! happiness is contagious so spread it as much as possible an if someone has grumpy pants smack them in da ass till they giggle! But most important tc of u cause from u stems all possibility of tomorrows. Be as kind to yourself as you are to others an know that you are appreciated 4 who you are.

xoxo wytchie

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Samhain Handfasting

Last night i attended a Samhain ritual in Second Life lead by LiquiDiamond Frost and CobaltBlue Mill. The ritual was very good an i chose some really useful newyear resolutions 4 myself this year; that if i can stick to, which is my intent, will improve my life considerably or such is my evil plan. Evil is good in wytchie speak :) What was an amazing surprise tho was at the end a really nice couple by the names of Vengerax Vantongerloo and Zoelle Zeffirelli chose to share their Handfasting vow renewal with us. Thats them in the picture restating their vows to each other. they gave me permission to share that moment with u all an so I will...

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[20:10]  Vengerax Vantongerloo: Thank you for an amazing Sabbat, once again please feel free to stay and witness our renewing of vows.
[20:10]  Veronique Lalonde: My third Samhain :)
[20:10]  LiquiDiamond Frost: Always my pleasure Zoelle
[20:10]  Veronique Lalonde: At SA (The SA)
[20:10]  LiquiDiamond Frost: 3 is a very important number :)
[20:10]  Anwen Ryan: it is :)
[20:10]  Veronique Lalonde: Indeed!
[20:10]  Wytchwhisper Wylder: agreed
[20:11]  LiquiDiamond Frost: So mote it be
[20:11]  CobaltBlue Mill: So Mote It Be
[20:11]  Veronique Lalonde: So mote it be
[20:11]  Emmajade Renfew: so mote it be
[20:11]  Wytchwhisper Wylder: So Mote it be
[20:11]  Vengerax Vantongerloo: So mote it be
[20:11]  Zoelle Zeffirelli: So mote it be
[20:11]  Kelindra Talamasca: so mote it be
[20:12]  LiquiDiamond Frost: Now would be a good time to have a shift to something light and living
[20:12]  LiquiDiamond Frost: A handfastening vow renewal
[20:12]  Veronique Lalonde: Something for the new year!
[20:12]  Emmajade Renfew: yess (story)
[20:12]  LiquiDiamond Frost: Please all take a few moments to share these with us
[20:12]  Wytchwhisper Wylder: yay (spring)
[20:12]  LiquiDiamond Frost: Moments* (Moments *)
[20:13]  Emmajade Renfew: yayayay
[20:13]  Wytchwhisper Wylder: :)
[20:13]  Vengerax Vantongerloo: we have no pose balls so please join us in your mind and hearts.
[20:13]  Anwen Ryan nods and smiles
[20:14]  Vengerax Vantongerloo: High Priestess, it was 20 months ago you joined us and blessed us, We come to you in perfect love to seek this blessing again.
[20:14]  Vengerax Vantongerloo: will you honor us?
[20:14]  LiquiDiamond Frost: I will
[20:15]  Vengerax Vantongerloo: Our trust I will admit has not been perfect. But it is what we strive for. to leave today in perfect love and perfect trust.
[20:16]  Vengerax Vantongerloo: Zoelle, my love. My hands are still in yours, as we have passed through time. I have passed it with you, in love and always a tear in my eye as I look to the soul that joins me.
[20:17]  Vengerax Vantongerloo: How ever at times, I must quote this...but perhaps this is what happens when a tornado meets a Volcano.
[20:17]  Vengerax Vantongerloo: so strong.
[20:17]  Zoelle Zeffirelli laughs and nods
[20:18]  Vengerax Vantongerloo: my love for you.
[20:18]  Vengerax Vantongerloo looks into her eyes his eyes filled...about to bust out...as he just smiles
[20:18]  Zoelle Zeffirelli: My Love... I am so proud to be here with you tonight. There have been many trials and tribulations that we have faced together over the past 20 months. Despite those, here we are. I love you more now that I see your flaws and imperfections. And by now you know that I am far from perfect as well.
[20:19]  Zoelle Zeffirelli: We are the Tornado and Volcano.... why?
[20:19]  Zoelle Zeffirelli: Because ours is a true and passionate love.
[20:20]  Zoelle Zeffirelli: I never mean to hurt you as I know it is never your intent to hurt me... but we are human.
[20:20]  Zoelle Zeffirelli: At the end of each day, however, I know that I will wake to find you by my side.
[20:20]  Zoelle Zeffirelli: I love you, VV... eternally. Thank you for walking this path beside me.
[20:21]  Vengerax Vantongerloo pulls out our cloth
[20:21]  Vengerax Vantongerloo holds your hand
[20:21]  Vengerax Vantongerloo: Priestess, would you please?
[20:23]  Zoelle Zeffirelli points to the first candle we placed here
[20:23]  Vengerax Vantongerloo looks down and smiles as he remembers lighting it with you.
[20:23]  LiquiDiamond Frost: were nothing is perfect love must be, in its compromising toward unconditional meanderings..
[20:24]  LiquiDiamond Frost: toward something as real as the hands that once chose to fasten here with me and us on seasons alter.
[20:24]  LiquiDiamond Frost: together you reached a heart that's every year molding what was two too one a pair who is what you are here now before this congregation, an *us*.
[20:25]  LiquiDiamond Frost: the years and time you worked to make it stay, no matter the oods, you are instead a union.
[20:25]  LiquiDiamond Frost: AS you both so eloquently decided to sate her,..
[20:25]  LiquiDiamond Frost: your love is blessed with passion and conviction, and now a new well earned trust
[20:25]  LiquiDiamond Frost: remember the pride you both hold in this commitment to each other
[20:26]  LiquiDiamond Frost: With that power for an earned honor
[20:26]  LiquiDiamond Frost: r now in your combined hands
[20:27]  LiquiDiamond Frost: I bless may you both decide to come to an alter many more times to commit again
[20:27]  LiquiDiamond Frost: many more times may you both decide to come to renew
[20:27]  Vengerax Vantongerloo: As we will.
[20:27]  LiquiDiamond Frost: Blessed be this union
[20:28]  LiquiDiamond Frost: Blessed be and so mote it be
[20:28]  Vengerax Vantongerloo: So mote it be!
[20:28]  Zoelle Zeffirelli: So mote it be!
[20:28]  CobaltBlue Mill: So mote it Be
[20:28]  Emmajade Renfew: so mote it be!
[20:28]  Anwen Ryan: So mote it be!
[20:28]  Veronique Lalonde: So mote it be!
[20:28]  Athren Askham: So mote it Be
[20:28]  Wytchwhisper Wylder: so mote it be!
[20:28]  Zoelle Zeffirelli kisses her husband with such love
[20:28]  Vengerax Vantongerloo pulls his wife in tight, her body to his as he kisses her so deep
[20:28]  IshtarAngel Micheline: so mote it be
[20:29]  Wytchwhisper Wylder:       ☆*•.¸¸.•*¨•.¸ ★ ¸.•¨*•.¸¸.•*☆
[20:29]  Wytchwhisper Wylder: ☆*•.¸¸.•*¨•.¸ APPLAUSE ¸.•¨*•.¸¸.•*☆
[20:29]  Wytchwhisper Wylder:       ☆*•.¸¸.•*¨•.¸ ★ ¸.•¨*•.¸¸.•*☆
[20:29]  Wytchwhisper Wylder:       ☆*•.¸¸.•*¨•.¸ ★ ¸.•¨*•.¸¸.•*☆
[20:29]  Wytchwhisper Wylder: ☆*•.¸¸.•*¨•.¸ APPLAUSE ¸.•¨*•.¸¸.•*☆
[20:29]  Wytchwhisper Wylder:       ☆*•.¸¸.•*¨•.¸ ★ ¸.•¨*•.¸¸.•*☆
[20:29]  Anwen Ryan clasps her hands and smiles
[20:29]  Zoelle Zeffirelli: Thank you all, for joining us here and bringing your love and energy. We are honored to have you all
[20:29]  Anwen Ryan how beautiful
[20:29]  Emmajade Renfew: yes
[20:29]  Wytchwhisper Wylder: beautiful u guys!
[20:29]  Vengerax Vantongerloo: thank you all, now if your not careful your going to see more then just our hands joining...
[20:29]  Veronique Lalonde smiles
[20:29]  Anwen Ryan grins (grin)
[20:29]  LiquiDiamond Frost: tehee
[20:30]  Wytchwhisper Wylder: do u mind if i share it with my readers?
[20:30]  Zoelle Zeffirelli: Ohhhh.... let me drag him home
[20:30]  Emmajade Renfew: can i say something guys n gals? *my heart beats so fast*
[20:30]  Vengerax Vantongerloo: Not at all Wytch
[20:30]  Vengerax Vantongerloo: Love do you mind?
[20:30]  Zoelle Zeffirelli: of course not, Wytch.
[20:30]  Wytchwhisper Wylder: yay ty! (Company yay!)
[20:30]  LiquiDiamond Frost: thanks for doing this for us here tonight Vengerex and Zoe
[20:30]  Vengerax Vantongerloo: Yes Emma?
[20:30]  Veronique Lalonde: Thanks for including us!
[20:30]  Zoelle Zeffirelli: Our thanks go to you, LD
[20:31]  Emmajade Renfew: Amw and i have said vows together tonight here too
[20:31]  Wytchwhisper Wylder: is honored to attend may u have many more :)
[20:31]  Emmajade Renfew: maybe only in our heads, and to each other
[20:31]  Zoelle Zeffirelli: You have been a big part of lives, LD, even though you may not know it.
[20:31]  Wytchwhisper Wylder: oh congrats emma an amw
[20:31]  LiquiDiamond Frost: im very well honored
[20:31]  Emmajade Renfew: we have a wedding date set and so many preparations underway
[20:31]  Emmajade Renfew: but tonight before our ancestors
[20:31]  Vengerax Vantongerloo: Congrats to you Emma and Amw
[20:32]  Zoelle Zeffirelli: Emma and Anwen, congratulations!!!
[20:32]  Wytchwhisper Wylder: yay ! (yay!)
[20:32]  LiquiDiamond Frost: i mut say so many of you have made life worth it here for me
[20:32]  Veronique Lalonde giggles
[20:32]  Emmajade Renfew: and before you as witnesses
[20:32]  Wytchwhisper Wylder: so mote it be!
[20:32]  Emmajade Renfew: I love this woman, and I am hers
[20:32]  Veronique Lalonde: Congratulations, Emma and Amw
[20:32]  LiquiDiamond Frost: So mote it be!
[20:32]  Zoelle Zeffirelli: So mote it be!
[20:32]  Vengerax Vantongerloo: So mote it be!
[20:32]  LiquiDiamond Frost: Congrats!
[20:32]  CobaltBlue Mill: so mote it be
[20:32]  Anwen Ryan: So mote it be
[20:32]  Amw216 Aie: :)
[20:33]  Emmajade Renfew: I love you amw
[20:33]  Kelindra Talamasca: So mot it be
[20:33]  Amw216 Aie: ty all (all companies)
[20:33]  Wytchwhisper Wylder: so much love in this room :)
[20:33]  Anwen Ryan what a great night
[20:33]  Amw216 Aie: i love your to emma
[20:33]  Amw216 Aie: and i too am allll urs
[20:33]  Emmajade Renfew: I know
[20:33]  Zoelle Zeffirelli: Merry part, all... and blessed be!
[20:33]  Emmajade Renfew: heart mind body soul
[20:33]  Emmajade Renfew: I thiankyou (In thiankyou)
[20:33]  Wytchwhisper Wylder: awww (Awww)
[20:33]  Emmajade Renfew: and thanks all for listening
[20:33]  Wytchwhisper Wylder: blessed be!
[20:33]  Amw216 Aie: :)
[20:34]  Vengerax Vantongerloo: Blessed be all.
[20:35]  Wytchwhisper Wylder: what a joyous start to a new year. this will be a year of much love :)
[20:36]  LiquiDiamond Frost: Thank you very much for your donation Zoe
[20:37]  Veronique Lalonde: Blessed Samhain, all! Merry part!
[20:37]  CobaltBlue Mill: Blessed Samhain Veronique
[20:37]  Kelindra Talamasca: bleesed samhain as well meey part (November bleesed part of well meey)
[20:37]  IshtarAngel Micheline: Ok i need to take care of some homework. Ill see you all and Blessed be to you all.
[20:37]  LiquiDiamond Frost: Blessed samhain
[20:37]  CobaltBlue Mill: BB Ish
[20:37]  Wytchwhisper Wylder: merry part blessed Samhain
[20:37]  LiquiDiamond Frost: I am off as well every one thank you very much for being here tonight
[20:38]  CobaltBlue Mill: Night LD.. see ya Tomorrow :)
[20:38]  Wytchwhisper Wylder: ty liqui (the Liqui)
[20:38]  Wytchwhisper Wylder: did u give me that lm?
[20:39]  Emmajade Renfew: do we have a feast?
[20:39]  LiquiDiamond Frost: Thank you Anwen :D
[20:39]  LiquiDiamond Frost: no feast tonight :) next sabbat there should be an eventing club on the sim though
[20:40]  Emmajade Renfew whispers: :D (: D)
[20:40]  CobaltBlue Mill: I'm sure a few of you have left over trick or treet candy ;-)
[20:40]  Wytchwhisper Wylder: lol (lol)
[20:40]  Emmajade Renfew: lol (lol)
[20:40]  LiquiDiamond Frost: lol (lol)
[20:41]  Emmajade Renfew: im in australia, a samhain ritual is a lil unusual for my rl year just now
[20:42]  CobaltBlue Mill: ah yes, it's Beltane for you
[20:42]  Wytchwhisper Wylder: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Rendervisions%20Isle/171/159/77
[20:42]  Emmajade Renfew: but its strange my sl and rl overlap a lil
[20:42]  Wytchwhisper Wylder: thats so wild to imagine
[20:42]  LiquiDiamond Frost: thank you very much
[20:42]  Wytchwhisper Wylder: ty (Company)
[20:43]  Wytchwhisper Wylder: that's the curio shop i believe
[20:43]  Emmajade Renfew: be fun to look
[20:44]  CobaltBlue Mill: I need to depart.. Night all and have a Blessed Samhain
[20:44]  Wytchwhisper Wylder: k tc everyone :) blessed be ty 4 tonight
[20:44]  Emmajade Renfew: yes thankyou so much
[20:45]  Emmajade Renfew: my first sl ritual
[20:45]  Teleport completed from http://slurl.com/secondlife/Seasons%20Alter/137/180/22

As u can see we also stumbled upon a first time handfasting of Emmajade Renfew and  Amw216 Aie sadly i have no picture of them but thinks it speaks well of the upcoming year to begin it with so much happiness an love. The thing i like most about Handfastings beyond it being a meeting of two souls madly in love is that it teaches improved relationship skills by encouraging respect 4 ones partner and if u dont when it comes time to renew well ... renewal may not happen. It gives freedom to both couples so neither feels trapped in the relationship yet because they love each other they stay. Just like not all relationships are the same no 2  handfastings are the same either. Its all about personal choice as shown in this excerpt from wikipedia :

In the present day, some Neopagans practice this ritual. The marriage vows taken may be for "a year and a day," a lifetime, "for all of eternity" or "for as long as love shall last." Whether the ceremony is legal, or a private spiritual commitment, is up to the couple. Depending on the state where the handfasting is performed, and whether or not the officiant is a legally recognized minister, the ceremony itself may be legally binding, or couples may choose to make it legal by also having a civil ceremony. Modern handfastings are performed for same-gender or opposite-gender couples, as well as for multiple partners in the case of polyamorous relationships. As with many Neopagan rituals, some groups may use historically attested forms of the ceremony, striving to be as traditional as possible, while others may use only the basic idea of handfasting and largely create a new ceremony.[4]

As many different traditions of Neopaganism use some variation on the handfasting ceremony, there is no universal ritual form that is followed, and the elements included are generally up to the couple being handfasted. In cases where the couple belong to a specific religious or cultural tradition, there may be a specific form of the ritual used by all or most members of that particular tradition. The couple may conduct the ceremony themselves or may have an officiant perform the ceremony. In some traditions, the couple may jump over a broom at the end of the ceremony. Some may instead leap over a small fire together. Today, some couples opt for a handfasting ceremony in place of, or incorporated into, their public wedding. As summer is the traditional time for handfastings, they are often held outdoors.

As with more conventional marriage ceremonies, couples often exchange rings during a handfasting, symbolizing their commitment to each other. Many couples choose rings that reflect their spiritual and cultural traditions, while others choose plainer, more conventional wedding rings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handfasting

I hope u all enjoyed this little journey with me down loves lane this new year an may u all have much love an abundance coming your way so mote it be!

Wytchie xoxoxoxoxox

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Tired NON PC midnight Mussings About Love Spirituality and Religion

[23:13]  Chester Dickens: http://chesterdickensofsl.blogspot.com/2010/10/spiritual-gumbo-chapter-one.html
[23:13]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: yay!
[23:13]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: looking
[23:14]  Chester Dickens: oh...I thought you were offline
[23:15]  Chester Dickens: thank you for looking...:-)
[23:15]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: yeah i just followed u too ive been horrible busy im sorry i didnt first time u gave me da link
[23:16]  Chester Dickens: that's ok
[23:16]  Chester Dickens: no problems
[23:16]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: this looks really good
[23:16]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: reading
[23:16]  Chester Dickens: I think there is some spiritual questions asked
[23:24]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: i think some things society teaches us is wrong
[23:25]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: for instance
[23:25]  Chester Dickens: listening
[23:25]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: that not being with her cause u had no money
[23:25]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: is frustrating to me cause i see people deny themselves happiness
[23:25]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: over something so mutable
[23:26]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: so unimportant in the overall scheme
[23:26]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: jobs an money come an go
[23:26]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: love doesnt as much
[23:26]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: not true love
[23:26]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: it makes me sad
[23:26]  Chester Dickens: you see the grandma and how they also picked my father for my mother, because he was a good provider..and that thought programmed into me
[23:27]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: yes an that's a really bad way to think
[23:27]  Chester Dickens: Yeah...I sense that ..
[23:27]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: cause just cause someone is good provider means nothing
[23:28]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: i mean  dysfunction an lack of love still occurs in those relationships
[23:28]  Chester Dickens: yeah..and many marriage stay in spite of no love lost if they leave..but stay because there is that material question, beside the spiritual aspect of the love
[23:29]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: agreed
[23:29]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: u can love people u have little in common with an also have tons in common but the key is the love
[23:29]  Chester Dickens: why are there so many unhappy marriages in spite of being taken cared of materially..money can't buy love
[23:29]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: exactly
[23:30]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: an staying together 4 children
[23:30]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: teaches them bad relationship skills
[23:30]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: they grow up thinking that's normal
[23:30]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: an expected an the way to do it cause they know no other way
[23:31]  Chester Dickens: My father and mother agreed to stay together until we, the children they thought were old enough
[23:31]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: yes an what did that teach u bad things about love
[23:31]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: well relationships
[23:31]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: which u see now
[23:32]  Chester Dickens: I only saw my father and mother kiss once
[23:32]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: but how long did that take an how much pain did u have to experience b4 hand?
[23:32]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: aww that's just wrong
[23:32]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: well more sad really
[23:33]  Chester Dickens: how we all suffer because of our conditioning
[23:33]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: see u coulda subconsciously developed touch phobias cause of that
[23:33]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: people just need to take responsibility an realize how they effect others
[23:33]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: especially children
[23:34]  Chester Dickens: you know even they do not know what they are doing, they themselves conditioned and it too became their unconscious conditioning
[23:35]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: i know
[23:35]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: i just find it frustrating people arent more aware of themselves sometimes
[23:36]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: its frustrating society as a whole is so self absorbed but not enough to look at their actions
[23:36]  Chester Dickens: there are many reason why people are not awake
[23:37]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: well i cant deny that
[23:38]  Chester Dickens: perhaps it's like a bell curve..only a very few can be conscious..and a very few total psychopathic..and the majority..half awake
[23:38]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: i think its choice
[23:39]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: i think its easier to be a sheep
[23:39]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: an just blindly follow
[23:39]  Chester Dickens: you can only do what you do what to do..it does take being very rebellious
[23:39]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: blame things on others an not take responsibility
[23:40]  Chester Dickens: I deep rebellion even within yourself...you see your mind..your programming...you rebell against it.. you don't accept and politely ask it to leave.
[23:41]  Chester Dickens: it's all unconscious reactions
[23:41]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: i know but being aware is half da battle
[23:41]  Chester Dickens: yes..there is hope
[23:42]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: always
[23:42]  Chester Dickens: you will be amazed from some of my stories...I've asked the impossible...and got it
[23:43]  Chester Dickens: glad you are a fan..hehehehe
[23:44]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: cool :)
[23:44]  Chester Dickens: I love your input
[23:44]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: ty :)
[23:44]  Chester Dickens: thank you so much for responding
[23:44]  Chester Dickens: thank you thank you
[23:44]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: anytime
[23:44]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: im sure u would do the same
[23:45]  Chester Dickens: I always do when it has substance
[23:45]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: what do u mean?
[23:46]  Chester Dickens: it's not like an add..it's thoughts and ideas to think about..
[23:46]  Chester Dickens: I would respond to your thoughts for sure...I like your thoughts
[23:46]  Chester Dickens: they have substance
[23:46]  Chester Dickens: some ideas have more weight
[23:47]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: what determines that?
[23:47]  Chester Dickens: it influences a different part of you
[23:47]  Chester Dickens: not all ideas are the same..some go into being more esoteric
[23:48]  Chester Dickens: attention is focussed within
[23:48]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: well true
[23:49]  Chester Dickens: if you have a magnetic center...your being will be drawns to those ideas....that's why many are attracted to ideas of the spiritual....beyond our physical
[23:49]  Chester Dickens: why are people drawn towards relgions
[23:50]  Chester Dickens: they can help to a certain point..but there comes a time when you have to give even that up
[23:50]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: oh?
[23:50]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: why?
[23:51]  Chester Dickens: sure..it's part of your programming also. your world view
[23:51]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: aqhh i see
[23:51]  Chester Dickens: it's like thinking on atomatic
[23:51]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: that makes more sense
[23:51]  Chester Dickens: you know how when you first learn how to ride a bike?
[23:51]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: u dont have to give it up u just redefine your beliefs as u grow
[23:52]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: your perspective changes
[23:52]  Chester Dickens: you are conscious of it..aware of your movements etc..your balance
[23:52]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: yep
[23:52]  Chester Dickens: and then afterwhile...you can do without thinking
[23:52]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: nodds
[23:52]  Chester Dickens: same thing happens with thoughts..after awhile you can have them without being aware
[23:53]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: like negative thinking
[23:53]  Chester Dickens: they become a train of habits...
[23:53]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: evil
[23:53]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: yep
[23:54]  Chester Dickens: evil perhaps is just being unconscious..to yourself and others as you could have been more aware.
[23:54]  Chester Dickens: so we do ugly things to ourselves and others
[23:54]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: sadly i agree
[23:55]  Chester Dickens: yeah.it is sad
[23:55]  Chester Dickens: when you become self aware..there is great pain
[23:55]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: yep
[23:55]  Chester Dickens: you see how ugly you have been
[23:55]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: exactly
[23:56]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: hopefully u can 4 give yourself
[23:56]  Chester Dickens: you come to Know...not just have brain knowledge...but come to see yourself as you really are..a great remose happens
[23:57]  Chester Dickens: well..that's the thing..if you get too stuck in that remose you will become morbid
[23:57]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: morbid?
[23:57]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: how so?
[23:57]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: dont u mean depressed?
[23:57]  Chester Dickens: but the positive side is Now that you are aware..it would be hard for you to do the ugly again
[23:57]  Chester Dickens: well...like self pity
[23:57]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: thats true
[23:57]  Chester Dickens: one of our big demons
[23:58]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: yeah but ive never thought of self pity as morbid
[23:58]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: morbid is enjoying f**king dead people
[23:58]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: usually
[23:58]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: lol
[23:59]  Chester Dickens: hahaha..well...you enjoy staying a living corspe in your mind
[23:59]  Chester Dickens: beating your chest all the time..full of guiity shame...etc
[00:00]  Chester Dickens: sure..Forgiveness is the other half of Love...you have to forgive yourself and others
[00:00]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: oh so it may seem morbid to others tho that may be a funny pick up line *hey ever f**ked a dead thing* lol jk dont ever use that chester :P
[00:00]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: thats true i agree
[00:01]  Chester Dickens: hahaha...aren't words funny
[00:01]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: that was my black comedy moment of da day
[00:01]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: :P
[00:01]  Chester Dickens: you a goof..that's all there is to it!!!  hehehehe
[00:02]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: u know u kinda described alot of catholics above
[00:02]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: lol
[00:02]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: yes im a goof sometimes when im not being very serious
[00:02]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: lol
[00:03]  Chester Dickens: of course..think about it...this area is highly Catholic..why I didn't know there was another relgion until I start follow the girl's skirt and they introduced me to their family's religion...yeah..men follow they women and convert..:-)
[00:04]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: ohhh wow i didn't even think of that
[00:04]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: ive never tried to make any of my guys wiccan
[00:04]  Chester Dickens: religion is really a feminine aspect of life
[00:04]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: lol
[00:05]  Chester Dickens: did it matter to them you were?  see my point
[00:05]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: u think i always thought it was political which is kinda male
[00:05]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: well true
[00:06]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: actually my rl ex is dating another wiccan now an his mom said what is wrong with u cant u find a nice christian girl lol
[00:06]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: i find that really funny
[00:07]  Chester Dickens: little do people know , but the Catholic traditions and ways of believing stem right out of the pagan mystery schools.
[00:07]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: oh im well aware
[00:07]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: many religions did that it made conversion easier
[00:07]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: to the *locals*
[00:08]  Chester Dickens: sure.the new mother goddess became Queen of Heaven...Mary.
[00:08]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: nodds
[00:09]  Chester Dickens: they had to do that when they went into the french lands...no one would convert unless they had a substitute mother image.
[00:09]  Chester Dickens: only the names have been changed
[00:09]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: yep
[00:10]  Chester Dickens: Even every story of Jesus was done before by previous virgin/born, dying/ressurectingn god/men
[00:10]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: yep
[00:10]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: thats what i like about studying various religions
[00:11]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: many similarities
[00:11]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: across them all
[00:11]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: all roads lead to the same mountain
[00:12]  Chester Dickens: there is nothing original about Jesus..the basical understand of Christianity was a product of Paul and his synthesizing three major religious ideas..those of the jews , the gnostic and those of the mystery religions
[00:12]  Chester Dickens: well they are all focussing techniques
[00:12]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: right
[00:13]  Chester Dickens: Buddha became enlightened one day by simple observing his breath going in and out
[00:14]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: yep
[00:15]  Chester Dickens: well..his technique were geared more for the intellectual part of a person..while faith based religions use more of the heart and emotional center of a person
[00:15]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: nodds
[00:16]  Chester Dickens: and half the world is brought up using the wrong technique for their type..so always half the world will remain half alseep.
[00:16]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: how does one determine their type?
[00:18]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: by trying various shoes on till one fits :P
[00:18]  Chester Dickens: well if you are in doubt..then most likely your are an intellectual type..for it's the mind that will always question..but if you have that abliity to accept beliefs without question...because feel the love behind those words.then you are basically and emotional type
[00:18]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: an as they grow as people so does their shoe size
[00:20]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: u can be one type an grow into another tho we r always evolving
[00:20]  Chester Dickens: well..you see how some try to prove the bible scientifically with theories ...those are intellectual types trying to prove the validity to comfort their doubts
[00:21]  Chester Dickens: not sure..perhaps they way you will be basically in life is from birth..
[00:21]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: makes sense
[00:21]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: no i disagree
[00:21]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: some people can start out very emotional
[00:21]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: an trusting
[00:21]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: an become more analytical an questioning over time
[00:22]  Chester Dickens: could be...you find out that Santa Claus is not real
[00:22]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: we still dont know that 4 sure:P
[00:22]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: lol
[00:23]  Chester Dickens: maybe there is a stage when you are a child that you develope trust..comes from the parents..and that is nurtured longer..and so you will crytalize into that type when you reach adolences
[00:23]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: then how do u explain
[00:23]  Chester Dickens: the christmas story is all pagan
[00:23]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: amazing grace?
[00:24]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: i think beliefs an perspective can change at any time dep on u an your experiences
[00:24]  Chester Dickens: new knowledge will make you think
[00:24]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: exactly
[00:25]  Chester Dickens: so do you deny or try to defend what you were previously taught
[00:25]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: u mean in catholic school?
[00:25]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: or santa claus?
[00:26]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: :P
[00:26]  Chester Dickens: whatever faith you were taught or have
[00:26]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: well lets see
[00:27]  Chester Dickens: suppose you came across knowledge that told you that your wiccan belief's was nothing more then a bunch of Bull Hockey?  what would you do?
[00:27]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: i was born prodestant, tried mormanism , jahova witness, went to a catholic school an ultimately found out about wicca an have been one ever since. i found wicca on my own in a book store an taught myself
[00:28]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: actually
[00:28]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: funny u should say that
[00:28]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: a few years back
[00:28]  Chester Dickens: yeah...I went thru every religion and even scribed to the Flying Spaghetti monsters of the Athiest
[00:29]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: i questioned weather i would stay wiccan or brance out from it when i started practicing shamanism
[00:29]  Chester Dickens: it's funny...both are absolutely correct
[00:29]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: i decided
[00:29]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: to stay wiccan but incorporate other knowledge into my beleifs
[00:30]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: so i guess to the outside im wiccan
[00:30]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: but inside
[00:30]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: all roads lead to the same mountain
[00:31]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: when i say outside i mean what others see an assume
[00:31]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: but  its more like advanced wicca now cause its always growing an evolving
[00:31]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: like me
[00:32]  Chester Dickens: is there like a top position...like you'll become a goddess one day?
[00:32]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: hahaha
[00:33]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: i'll let u know if i get there
[00:33]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: lol
[00:33]  Chester Dickens: okie dokie..sounds good
[00:34]  Chester Dickens: maybe I'll become a God or something..hehehhehehe
[00:34]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: what do u know about wicca?
[00:34]  Chester Dickens: I know a nice Sufi joke about that!
[00:34]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: lol im sure
[00:36]  Chester Dickens: Man name Mullah Nasrudin when to the next village claiming to be God..the villagers pulled him on the said and said," you know we just executed a guy last year for claiming to be god."
[00:36]  Chester Dickens: Mullah thought for a minute and said;
[00:36]  Chester Dickens: Serves him Right!!!  I didn't send him.
[00:36]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: lol that is bad
[00:37]  Chester Dickens: Hey can't mess with god ya know
[00:37]  Chester Dickens: hehehe
[00:37]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: lol thats one perspective :P
[00:38]  Chester Dickens: Crazy people in the east are left alone....you just never know if they are enlightened ..or just crazy

wytchie gets given a notecard that says .....
The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz
the four agreements - don miguel ruiz
Don Miguel Ruiz's - The Four Agreements
Don Miguel Ruiz's book, The Four Agreements was published in 1997. For many, The Four Agreements is a life-changing book, whose ideas come from the ancient Toltec wisdom of the native people of Southern Mexico. The Toltec were 'people of knowledge' - scientists and artists who created a society to explore and conserve the traditional spiritual knowledge and practices of their ancestors. The Toltec viewed science and spirit as part of the same entity, believing that all energy - material or ethereal - is derived from and governed by the universe. Don Miguel Ruiz, born and raised in rural Mexico, was brought up to follow his family's Toltec ways by his mother, a Toltec faith healer, and grandfather, a Toltec 'nagual', a shaman. Despite this, Don Miguel decided to pursue a conventional education, which led him to qualify and practice for several years as a surgeon. Following a car crash, Don Miguel Ruiz reverted to his Toltec roots during the late 1970's, first studying and learning in depth the Toltec ways, and then healing, teaching, lecturing and writing during the 1980's and 90's, when he wrote The Four Agreements (published in 1997), The Mastery of Love (1999), The Four Agreements Companion Book (2000), and Prayers (2001). Don Miguel Ruiz survived a serious heart attack 2002, since when his teachings have been largely channelled through seminars and classes run by his followers, notably his sons Don Jose Luis and Don Miguel Ruiz Junior. Like many gurus and philosophical pioneers, Ruiz has to an extent packaged, promoted and commercialised his work, nevertheless the simplicity and elegance of his thinking remains a source of great enlightenment and aspiration. The simple ideas of The Four Agreements provide an inspirational code for life; a personal development model, and a template for personal development, behaviour, communications and relationships. Here is how Don Miguel Ruiz summarises 'The Four Agreements':

 


the four agreements - don miguel ruiz's code for life
agreement 1
Be impeccable with your word - Speak with integrity. Say only what you mean. Avoid using the word to speak against yourself or to gossip about others. Use the power of your word in the direction of truth and love.

agreement 2
Don’t take anything personally - Nothing others do is because of you. What others say and do is a projection of their own reality, their own dream. When you are immune to the opinions and actions of others, you won’t be the victim of needless suffering.

agreement 3
Don’t make assumptions - Find the courage to ask questions and to express what you really want. Communicate with others as clearly as you can to avoid misunderstandings, sadness and drama. With just this one agreement, you can completely transform your life.

agreement 4
Always do your best - Your best is going to change from moment to moment; it will be different when you are healthy as opposed to sick. Under any circumstance, simply do your best, and you will avoid self-judgment, self-abuse and regret.


 
the four agreements - don miguel ruiz
A life-changing book. Don Miguel Ruiz's simple guidance for life. This book - the original in the series - is widely available. Everyone should read it.
  


 


See also:

Love and Spirituality in Management and Business - anyone can help bring compassion and humanity to work.

Cherie Carter-Scott's Rules Of Life, and Steven Covey's Seven Habits Of Highly Effective People.

'The Four Agreements' summary is the intellectual property of Don Miguel Ruiz. No attempt is made here to exploit it - merely to review and inform.

More about The Four Agreements ideology, The Four Agreements book, Don Miguel Ruiz and Toltec philosophy at Don Miguel Ruiz's website.

[00:39]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: likes those agreements
[00:39]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: they make sense
[00:39]  Chester Dickens: that's from a Shaman
[00:39]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: it doesnt suprise me
[00:40]  Chester Dickens: well you mentioned shamism...so I thought I would share
[00:40]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: ty
[00:41]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: well the great thing about shamanism is its ability to incorporate an merge with any religion
[00:41]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: but i couldnt deny its existance cause i have seen spirits my whole life
[00:41]  Chester Dickens: I think it's perhaps the very first religion...but it's for individuals..not subscribing to a group motif of belief's
[00:42]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: so can wicca be
[00:42]  Chester Dickens: always go on your vision quest alone
[00:42]  Chester Dickens: find your own personal diety
[00:42]  Chester Dickens: find the god within you
[00:42]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: i was always a solitary
[00:42]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: yep
[00:44]  Chester Dickens: I think when group belief's become more prominate..then the focus was on society and it's ways of behavior..became more political
[00:44]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: i hate politics
[00:44]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: but i understand what u r saying
[00:44]  Chester Dickens: so they focus went outward instead of inward
[00:45]  Chester Dickens: there focus was with other people
[00:46]  Chester Dickens: well..you have pieces of all things everywhere...you work on yourself..you word with others..and you work simply for the Work sake...pass it down
[00:46]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: what u mean pass it down?
[00:47]  Chester Dickens: well..there are those ideas again..some are otherworldly...and each culture changes them slightly to fit into that...so even though the outer appearance may seem different..the core is the same
[00:48]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: right
[00:49]  Chester Dickens: everyone uses that culture to change that core into a newer form...same as what you are say..take this from that and that from this can evolve that core into something you find that fits you..if it's good enough..then there are always followers and that starts a new tradition...that's how it happens
[00:50]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: right
[00:50]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: thats why all religions have various branches
[00:50]  Chester Dickens: Catholics remolded paganism
[00:51]  Chester Dickens: yeah...you see..it's like people do not know...so they find something someone else has experienced and try to follow it
[00:52]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: right while they seek their own truth some way to get there
[00:52]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: like a roadmap
[00:52]  Chester Dickens: it's like you see the path of birds in the sky..you might try to follow it...but unless you find your own wings will you be able to soar into the heavens
[00:52]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: right
[00:53]  Chester Dickens: be an individual Wychwhisper..that's the path
[00:53]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: exactly
[00:53]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: i always try to
[00:54]  Chester Dickens: well..when you awake..you will find out that you always were...and it's not a matter of becoming anything....simply relax into Being.
[00:55]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: chester im just always me
[00:55]  Chester Dickens: well.that's where you come to accept yourself as you are..forgive yourself..love yourself..good bad and the ugly
[00:55]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: take it or leave it
[00:57]  Chester Dickens: we are only human....we came into the world without a program...not the animals..they  know already how to BE.
[00:57]  Chester Dickens: that's out glory and also our curse....always looking for an idenity
[00:58]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: ive always had one i call it *me*
[00:59]  Chester Dickens: just individuals trying to fit into society
[00:59]  Chester Dickens: yep...that Me is something to love
[01:01]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: im gonna have to let u go sweety
[01:01]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: i got more packaging to do
[01:01]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: an i wanna go to sleep soon
[01:01]  Chester Dickens: hahaha..I was just thinking the same thing..it was a nice conversation..but it's late
[01:02]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: nodds :) k well sweet dreams :)
[01:02]  Chester Dickens: this could be a blog..hehehehe
[01:02]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: an good job on the blog :)
[01:02]  Chester Dickens: thank you...:-)
[01:02]  Chester Dickens: Enough for today...:-)
[01:03]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: if u wanna use it as a blog post feel free i will too
[01:03]  Chester Dickens: ok..thank you
[01:03]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: uvw :)
[01:03]  Chester Dickens: nice coversation..had substance
[01:03]  Chester Dickens: thank you kindly
[01:03]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: back at ya :)
[01:04]  Chester Dickens: good night my friend
[01:04]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: sweet dreams :)
[01:04]  Chester Dickens: how about a nice song..hehehe
[01:05]  Chester Dickens: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cPXnBV42qQ
[01:05]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: well im singing next saturday u can find info on my event calendar :P shamless plug lol
[01:08]  Chester Dickens: ...................................zzz

Sunday Day of Rest NOT! No rest 4 the wicked !!

After spending the afternoon tormenting an haunting innocents in Wizard of the North play . I threw on on some bridesmaid gear an participated in the unification of Pheonix Renfold and Snik Snoodle. 

 I then hit my friend FrankLee Anatra's gig, i helped partner him an his soulmate Winter Thorn on July 6th 2008 sigh that was a truly beautiful experience, i cried like a sap, see below. I'm the winged one in the water, yes i officiated I'm proud to say is honored my high priestess status came in handy to those i love :) an yes boys an girls they still together!! Yes it was a full day of EMOTION to da MAX! was a good thing!

 

Lastly but not least if u missed the WIZARD OF THE NORTH play i was in there will be an requested ENCORE performence this thurs May 27th 7pm slt @  http://slurl.com/secondlife/Indigo/170/47/42

Have a wicked good week everyone huge wytchie hugs!!!! xoxoxoxox!

Wytchwhisper Facilitates @ SL/RL Relationships Meeting "Technology does it help or hinder Relationships?" (Group Transcript/Article)

[18:55]  Acuminous Watanabe: Hi Bloomglow
[18:57]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: hi chester:)
[18:58]  Chester Dickens: hello Wytchwhisper and Acuminous
[18:58]  Chester Dickens: may I sit with you Acu?
[18:59]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: hi bloom!
[19:00]  Bloomglow Ferryhill: hello :)
[19:01]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: hi tredi!
[19:02]  Chester Dickens: Hello Tredi
[19:02]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: hi michaelangelo
[19:02]  Tredi Felisimo: howdy
[19:02]  Tredi Felisimo: can't see a thing yet! hoping I'm not clouding anybody up
[19:03]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: hi windows
[19:03]  Tredi Felisimo: Hi Wytch! Acu! Windows! Chester :)
[19:03]  Acuminous Watanabe: Hi Michel, Windows :))
[19:03]  Tredi Felisimo: Michael
[19:03]  Tredi Felisimo: DIamonD
[19:03]  Chester Dickens: :-)
[19:03]  Acuminous Watanabe: Welcome Namaste
[19:03]  Diamond Meness: hiya Tredi
[19:03]  Windows Bhalti: Hello Everyone
[19:03]  Acuminous Watanabe: WB Daimond... where's Jarrod?
[19:04]  Acuminous Watanabe: Diamond
[19:04]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: hi diamond an namaste
[19:04]  Acuminous Watanabe: CHESTaaaaaaaaH
[19:04]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: hi jarrod
[19:04]  Diamond Meness: hiya Acu
[19:04]  Chester Dickens: May I sit next to you Tredi?
[19:04]  Diamond Meness: hello wytch
[19:04]  Michelangelo Barrowstone: hello all
[19:04]  Tredi Felisimo: am I sitting???
[19:04]  Tredi Felisimo: lol
[19:04]  Diamond Meness: Jarrod's on his way
[19:04]  Diamond Meness: lol
[19:04]  Tredi Felisimo: really can't see a THANG
[19:04]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: i canna see ya tredi i dont know
[19:04]  Jarrod Khandr: hello everyone!
[19:04]  Chester Dickens: lol..yeah
[19:06]  Chester Dickens: May I sit next to you Acu?
[19:06]  Tredi Felisimo: cute bunny Acu
[19:06]  Diamond Meness: ao on
[19:06]  Tredi Felisimo: awww Chester.. I didn't mean to run you off
[19:07]  Chester Dickens: May I?
[19:07]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: hi fatima!
[19:07]  Tredi Felisimo: better watch Spunkie and Knawnee
[19:07]  Tredi Felisimo: they look like they could be makin' a family
[19:07]  Acuminous Watanabe: Thanks! ㋡
[19:07]  Acuminous Watanabe: Tredi... one of my bestest SL friends gave it to me for my rez day :)))
[19:07]  Namaste Seale: Hello :)
[19:07]  Acuminous Watanabe: Sure Chester
[19:07]  Tredi Felisimo: awwww
[19:07]  Acuminous Watanabe: sorry, trying to rez here
[19:07]  Chester Dickens: hehehe
[19:08]  Tredi Felisimo: me too Acu
[19:08]  Tredi Felisimo: FINALLY can see!
[19:08]  Chester Dickens: Thank you Acu
[19:08]  Acuminous Watanabe smiles
[19:08]  Chester Dickens: hmm..something wrong with this couch
[19:09]  Tredi Felisimo: he's mellllllllting
[19:09]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: k guys im gonna start!
[19:09]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: Welcome to the Baobab Academy & Cultural Center.
[19:09]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: I appreciate you joining us for the SL/RL Relationships Discussion.
[19:09]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: Tonight we’ll explore relationships by examining the way technology helps an hinders a relationships growth and how we handle each effectively
[19:09]  Tredi Felisimo: yayyyy Wytch! :))
[19:09]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: For those of you who are new to our discussion WELCOME!
[19:09]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: You'll find that this is a wonderfully diverse group, and as such a variety of opinions, perceptions and personality styles keep these gatherings lively, entertaining, but most importantly informative.
[19:09]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: Our discussions are chat based so that a transcript is available for members who are unable to attend, please be aware that voice capabilities are not enabled.
[19:10]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: The discussions can get rather chatty, so just a few guidelines before we begin...
[19:10]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: This is meant to be a supportive forum where we are each able to learn from the experience of others...even if we don't agree...
[19:10]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: ...so please be mindful of this and respond to other participants in a way we all can hear and be receptive.
[19:10]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: I'd also like to ask that you please conclude your comments/questions with **, so we are not confused about when you have finished speaking.
[19:10]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: We have had griefers in the past, so if you are being harassed in IM, please let one of the group Guide's know (wearing tags "Connection GUIDE or Connection PROTECTION) and they will handle them as fast as
[19:10]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: they can. :)
[19:10]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: Lastly I want to make everyone aware that this discussion is logged so that a transcript is available.
[19:10]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: If you want your comments anonymous, please let me know after the discussion and I'd be happy to do so.
[19:10]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: We typcally start topic focused discussions with me sharing my initial thoughts on the topic followed by a question to start our dialogue.
[19:10]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: I will talk/type for about 5-10 minutes (lag permitting), please let me know if I am moving through it too quickly and I'll slow down. :))
[19:10]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: Prior to beginning, however, I'll ask  if there are any general questions before we begin?**
[19:11]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: k
[19:11]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: Im going to tell you a true story ... once upon a time in a virtual world not so far away called Second Life
[19:11]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: A boy whom we shall call freddy an girl whom we shal call Eddie fell madly in love.
[19:11]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: Like many couples they had their good an bad periods.
[19:11]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: One day during one of their bad periods they were fighting an yelling at each other in chat.
[19:11]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: All of a sudden Freddie poofs!
[19:11]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: what would u think in this situation? what would you do? would u think the worst?
[19:11]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: what are the other alernatives? please discuss...**
[19:11]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: *
[19:11]  Tredi Felisimo: he crashed!!!**
[19:11]  Remington Pennyfeather: he is probably cheating on me. with another man.
[19:12]  Remington Pennyfeather: and he had to get on his female alt
[19:12]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: what would you do?
[19:12]  Tredi Felisimo: Yikes Remington!
[19:12]  Acuminous Watanabe: Hi Remington, how cute are you and Tren and Narse :))
[19:12]  Remington Pennyfeather: based in truth, I'm afraid...
[19:12]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: any thing is possible in sl**
[19:12]  Acuminous Watanabe: Glad you made it!
[19:12]  Jarrod Khandr: I think he/they misunderstood what was really being said as opposed to what was actually...read**
[19:13]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: what do u mean jarrod?
[19:13]  Jarrod Khandr: so much gets lost in the...type...
[19:13]  Michelangelo Barrowstone: if the context of the conversation was heated and negative, the poof could be taken as the equivalent of "hanging up the phone."
[19:13]  Jarrod Khandr: its very hard to show your real emotion
[19:13]  Tredi Felisimo: I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt.... hoping to blame technology.. but yes exactly Michelangelo!
[19:13]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: true michael
[19:13]  Acuminous Watanabe: I would probably think he was mad at first "poof" especially since we were arguing, but sometimes the grid can be fickle**
[19:13]  Tredi Felisimo: been hung up on before...**
[19:14]  Jarrod Khandr: one doesnt have the benifit of being actually face to face**
[19:14]  Remington Pennyfeather: maybe his mom pulled the plug out of the router on accident
[19:14]  Jarrod Khandr: lol
[19:14]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: lol
[19:14]  Perplexing Scribe: lol
[19:14]  Michelangelo Barrowstone: lol
[19:14]  Tredi Felisimo: lol
[19:14]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: u never know **
[19:14]  Acuminous Watanabe grins at Remington
[19:14]  Tredi Felisimo: accidentally on purpose?**
[19:14]  Chester Dickens: I think perhaps the anger got so bad that instead of making things worse he decided to not say anything at all and left.
[19:15]  Tredi Felisimo: fight or flight...
[19:15]  Acuminous Watanabe: Sometimes we are too quick to assume the technical problems are the same as a hang up or being ignored.**
[19:15]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: agreed acu**
[19:15]  Chester Dickens: I think it was on purpose
[19:16]  Acuminous Watanabe: what if it was on purpose and after we make up he tells me it was SL?!?!... that just occured to me**
[19:16]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: if it was un purpose what would u do?
[19:16]  Jarrod Khandr: I dont think we can really assess what the problem was until he came back...if he comes back...thats still unknown**
[19:16]  Diamond Meness: I would take it the way it would have been for me....I would think he just logged cuz he was tired of the arguing**
[19:16]  Tredi Felisimo: take several deep breaths**
[19:17]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: do you want to hear more?
[19:17]  Remington Pennyfeather: what was the fight about? we need context here
[19:17]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: More of the story...Eddie waited thinking he had crashed an would be back cause they had never ended a conversation so abruptly
[19:17]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: tho she had never upset him this much either... hours went by... then days she was truely worried it was over
[19:17]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: that she'd never see him again. They had no other form of communication than the internet they had not exchanged phone #'s,
[19:17]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: she did not know any of his family, she didnt know his mailing address, so many things they hadnt thought of...
[19:17]  Perplexing Scribe: I tend to think sometimes it is best when emotions are high. Think on it. Things always look different in hind sight.
[19:17]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: Can u think of other forms of communication i may have missed? please discuss...**
[19:17]  Diamond Meness: MSN messenger
[19:17]  Diamond Meness: Skype
[19:17]  Remington Pennyfeather: nonverbal communication. social cues
[19:18]  Tredi Felisimo: ohhhhh Wytch! Now I'd start to panic he'd died!
[19:18]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: agree perplexing**
[19:18]  Narse Miranda: paid people search services, private detectives
[19:18]  Remington Pennyfeather: passenger pigeons. smoke signals
[19:18]  Remington Pennyfeather: psychic links.
[19:18]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: lol funny u mention smoke signals**
[19:18]  Remington Pennyfeather: I dont think they tried hard enough
[19:18]  Diamond Meness: email
[19:18]  Kellie Lockwood: hi all
[19:18]  Cj Melgund: salt where are u my love?
[19:18]  Tren Neva: wishing really hard that you are communicating with ESP
[19:18]  Kellie Lockwood: rez rez rez
[19:18]  Acuminous Watanabe: I would too Wytch... I've actually thought about that... how would I insure my SL family and friends were ntified in the event of my death....**
[19:18]  Tredi Felisimo: Hi Kellie
[19:18]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: welcome kelly**
[19:18]  Cj Melgund: hello everybody
[19:18]  Kellie Lockwood: I am here pepper
[19:18]  Diamond Meness: there is no excuse u cant contact someone these days if you are in the position to**
[19:18]  Kellie Lockwood: its kellie, thanks
[19:18]  Cj Melgund: ok there u are
[19:19]  Remington Pennyfeather: they could always meet on the Astral Plane. it's easy, I've done it
[19:19]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: its possible if u dont know that he may have died**
[19:19]  Kellie Lockwood: can someone please fill me in on the discussion, I was late due to a church event irl
[19:19]  Acuminous Watanabe: Welcome CJ and everyone else who has dropped in :))**
[19:19]  Chester Dickens: That can happen also..sometime terrible wrong..like a heart attack from the stress of the argument..you never know..I would begin to worry also.*
[19:19]  Cj Melgund: thank you so much
[19:19]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: its easy to worry when there is no communication**
[19:19]  Acuminous Watanabe: after DAYS?!?! thats pretty unusual**
[19:20]  Tredi Felisimo: I recently had this very conversation with one of my dearest SL friends ;-) Have given one of my family members the names and numbers of two of the most important poeple in my SL who would be able to let the right people know if I was "gone"**
[19:20]  Remington Pennyfeather: maybe Freddie never existed and it was the time when Eddie's drugs kicked in
[19:20]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: days went by**
[19:20]  Diamond Meness: Well the real question is...how did they fall all in love if their only communication has been through Second Life.**
[19:20]  Kellie Lockwood: I can talk about this
[19:20]  Diamond Meness: Sounds questionable to me
[19:20]  Kellie Lockwood: pepper and I started talking
[19:20]  Kellie Lockwood: but its more than that.. you feel each others emotions
[19:20]  Acuminous Watanabe: Remington...
[19:20]  Cj Melgund: yes Salt
[19:20]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: well diamond souls can fall in love quite easily in sl**
[19:20]  Cj Melgund: Salt is my soul mate
[19:20]  Chester Dickens: I know of a case personally where he man when to the store..and never came back for weeks..no other other communication....you think the worse..and begin to greive.
[19:20]  Kellie Lockwood: exactly.. souls can find mates
[19:21]  Cj Melgund: like us salty
[19:21]  Cj Melgund: it was love at 1st IM
[19:21]  Kellie Lockwood: yes baby .. :) I am so happy now
[19:21]  Cj Melgund: oh so am i, i didnt think it was possible 2 be this happy
[19:21]  Kellie Lockwood: I cant believe people think you cant find love on SL
[19:21]  Remington Pennyfeather: me too :)
[19:21]  Cj Melgund: i no, its insane
[19:21]  Remington Pennyfeather: I don't think it's possible, sorry.
[19:21]  Acuminous Watanabe: How would you notify KEllie if you lost connection online CJ?
[19:21]  Remington Pennyfeather: there's way too much in a real relationship
[19:21]  Kellie Lockwood: you havent met pepper then reminton
[19:21]  Remington Pennyfeather: that you can't get in SL
[19:22]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: love is a ninja rem**
[19:22]  Cj Melgund: but it is Remington, u havnt found the rite ava yet
[19:22]  Kellie Lockwood: like?
[19:22]  Kellie Lockwood: yeah its all about the right avitar
[19:22]  Remington Pennyfeather: I found the right "ava" but she's in real life and we dont need poseballs IF YA KNOW WHAT I MEAN!!
[19:22]  Nedaija Kytori: i thin if sl is ur only source of communication and you know nothing else about the person you are in love with the avi...not the person
[19:22]  Cj Melgund: my salty here is the sexiest ava iv ever laid eyes on
[19:22]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: more importantly the person bhind the avatar**
[19:22]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: the soul**
[19:22]  Remington Pennyfeather: do you know how she is in real life? how they act when not on the computer? who they really are?
[19:23]  Kellie Lockwood: oh I dont care about the person.. just the booty
[19:23]  Cj Melgund: i feel a connection with Kellie, everytime our ava's make lesbian love
[19:23]  Kellie Lockwood: its more sexual in SL then anything
[19:23]  Tredi Felisimo: great point Nedaija
[19:23]  Diamond Meness: If I lost connection with Jarrod...and I did on Dec. 24th. *sad*.. I could call him, write him, hell...go to his house if i needed to....call his family....lol...oh i would find a way! believe that!
[19:23]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: that comes with time rem**
[19:23]  Kellie Lockwood: have you reconnected with him
[19:23]  Cj Melgund: oh yes, its amazing and we use voice aswell, so its an amazing experience
[19:23]  Perplexing Scribe: I do know it is possible to fall in love in SL but I agree with Neda if SL is the only form of communication you have to question if it is the avi or the person one is in love with**
[19:23]  Kellie Lockwood: oh voice it amazing
[19:24]  Cj Melgund: mmmm yes
[19:24]  Nedaija Kytori: i have a connection with many people on sl...doesnt mean i love them
[19:24]  Chester Dickens: Love in SL can be deeper then RL because of that missing information which is supplied by the person's own imaginations and emotions..you identify with that part of yourself also..that loved. The relationship is not only with the other person..but what is between the two..
[19:24]  Narse Miranda: maybe people should begin to be more proactive with asking for eachother's RL contact details earlier in the relationship!
[19:24]  Jarrod Khandr: yes she reconnected...I called her from my front yard while my house was burning down
[19:24]  Diamond Meness: :(
[19:24]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: good point narse!**
[19:24]  Kellie Lockwood: I hate when people stereotype me
[19:24]  Kellie Lockwood: who is saying I am griefing?
[19:24]  Remington Pennyfeather: it's important to ask the right questions, like "are you really a woman?"
[19:24]  Kellie Lockwood: say to to my face please, lets talk like adults
[19:24]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: what about video an voice u learn more that way too!**
[19:24]  Tredi Felisimo: OMG!!!!!
[19:24]  Tredi Felisimo: OMG!! Jarrod!
[19:24]  Cj Melgund: yes same, i am not griefing
[19:24]  Tredi Felisimo: at Christmas!!!?!?!
[19:25]  Jarrod Khandr: yes
[19:25]  Kellie Lockwood: I am offended
[19:25]  Cj Melgund: lesbians can find eachother on sl aswell
[19:25]  Cj Melgund: me 2 salty
[19:25]  Kellie Lockwood: we just cant get partnered under SL law
[19:25]  Jarrod Khandr: yet Diamond and I stayed in touch each and everyday
[19:25]  Diamond Meness: *nods*
[19:25]  Nedaija Kytori: when u are "inlove with sum1" and u dont know them its called infatuation
[19:25]  Cj Melgund: oh wow Jarrod
[19:25]  Kellie Lockwood: we do too
[19:25]  Kellie Lockwood: I am on the phone with her now
[19:25]  Chester Dickens: Voice is a way of given and recieving much more information then text...for example..a sarcastic phrase might be taken as a statement of fact.
[19:25]  Cj Melgund: yes, we call eachother all the time
[19:25]  Cj Melgund: i agree chester
[19:25]  Remington Pennyfeather: there is so much more involved with visual cues though
[19:25]  Nedaija Kytori: i think this is why many relationships fail...love is tossed around like panties
[19:26]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: u get to know peoplw e as u spend time together**
[19:26]  Kellie Lockwood: me too chest
[19:26]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: agreed chestr**
[19:26]  Remington Pennyfeather: and online, you are able to put your best self forward. people think this is geting a glimpse of a person's "true self" but really it's just an idealized version
[19:26]  Jarrod Khandr: excellent point Nedaija! **
[19:26]  Remington Pennyfeather: plus with the whole avatar thing you get a whole nother can of worms
[19:26]  Kellie Lockwood: I feel bad for people who cant fall in love here
[19:26]  Chester Dickens: In text..you just don't know how to take things said. So much confusion and misunderstand will occur.
[19:26]  Narse Miranda: you can't mime over the phone, but oddly enough you can mime in an SL relationship!
[19:26]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: rem u can do that while dating in RL too**
[19:27]  Remington Pennyfeather: [19:26] Acuminous Watanabe: GREAT feedback :)) Thanks
[19:27]  Remington Pennyfeather: see!
[19:27]  Cj Melgund: i didnt ever expect 2 fall in love on a game but it does happen and its a truely wonderful experience
[19:27]  Remington Pennyfeather: I'm doin good!
[19:27]  Kellie Lockwood: I look exactly like my avi
[19:27]  Nedaija Kytori: i met my rl husband online and i was infatuation with his online personality...but i fell in love with him....and i hate his snoring
[19:27]  Remington Pennyfeather: I do too ;)
[19:27]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: u r lol **
[19:27]  Cj Melgund: i came out as being gay on sl
[19:27]  Cj Melgund: it helped me
[19:27]  Kellie Lockwood: all men snore, thats why I love pepper
[19:27]  Remington Pennyfeather: have you two met in real life?
[19:27]  Diamond Meness: no no Remington...the personality comes through....if u are with someone long enough...to get to know them...their personality will come through...I know of two people that tried to switch alts on me..and only reading their profile..or observing them ..i KNEW exactly who there were..and call them out...and i was right one the money**
[19:27]  Cj Melgund: yes men and dicks are just no good
[19:27]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: lol @ snoring**
[19:27]  Kellie Lockwood: I was gay before SL, but I am glad I pulled you out of the closet sweetie
[19:28]  Chester Dickens: I would recomend Voice over text in cases of a love relationship...the love will have a better quality. and produce a more intimate closeness.
[19:28]  Cj Melgund giggles
[19:28]  Remington Pennyfeather: no. it isn't their real personality, it's the personality they put forward online, which is more than often an idealized and exaggerated version of themselves
[19:28]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: agreed chester**
[19:28]  Nedaija Kytori: im all for any method fo finding love....
[19:28]  Cj Melgund: i am myself 110% on sl
[19:28]  Nedaija Kytori: just be carful
[19:28]  Cj Melgund: what you get on here is what i am like in real life
[19:28]  Diamond Meness: no...you can only fake it for so long Remington before u are found out**
[19:28]  Acuminous Watanabe: The topic is communication though CJ... how has being online and comming out helped you in communicating with others.. in SL or RL or both! **
[19:28]  Diamond Meness: all dirt comes out in the wash.
[19:28]  Diamond Meness: always!
[19:28]  Nedaija Kytori: i agree diamond....
[19:28]  Diamond Meness: my nana taought me that!**
[19:28]  Cj Melgund: both
[19:28]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: thats an intresting perspective rem can u explain why u feel that is the only possible outcome?**
[19:29]  Kellie Lockwood: I think that honestly .. SL should allow more than one partner
[19:29]  Cj Melgund: i was too shy in real life but talking on sl 2 fellow lesbians has made me proud of who i am
[19:29]  Kellie Lockwood: because I am in love with flac and pepper
[19:29]  Jarrod Khandr: wow!
[19:29]  Kellie Lockwood: I want two people in my profile
[19:29]  Nedaija Kytori: QQN
[19:29]  Nedaija Kytori: QQN
[19:29]  Nedaija Kytori: lmao
[19:29]  Cj Melgund: i have my best friend lyra as my partner
[19:29]  Cj Melgund: yes me 2
[19:29]  Nedaija Kytori: i refuse to partner
[19:29]  Cj Melgund: Nedaija why are u laughing
[19:29]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: have u suggested it to LL kellie?**
[19:29]  Kellie Lockwood: why because you hate love?
[19:29]  Cj Melgund: you must be a free soul then
[19:29]  Cj Melgund: dont hate love
[19:29]  Cj Melgund: talk 2 people
[19:29]  Remington Pennyfeather: because it's the internet. you can be anything you want, so most people try to be what they want to be
[19:29]  Cj Melgund: get 2 no them
[19:30]  Diamond Meness: the partner box mean so many things to so many people. People partner their best friend, their mom or dad...lol...
[19:30]  Nedaija Kytori: oh i love love....
[19:30]  Cj Melgund: you 2 can fall in love
[19:30]  Kellie Lockwood: yes, I have proposed it to LL.. they said fags like me cant love more than one person
[19:30]  Acuminous Watanabe: I'm recieving several IMs about griefing... please remember to MUTE if you feel offended by participants
[19:30]  Kellie Lockwood: and I am going to burn in hell
[19:30]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: do u guys want to hear the rest of the story?**
[19:30]  Kellie Lockwood: who is complaining? obviously a coward.. IM please if you have issues
[19:30]  Remington Pennyfeather: yes
[19:30]  Jarrod Khandr: yes please
[19:30]  Cj Melgund: i think all fags like us huni should be allowed 2 marry on sl and 2 have several partners
[19:30]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: u cvan also turn down sounds**
[19:30]  Acuminous Watanabe: Yes Wytch lets move on...**
[19:30]  Cj Melgund shouts: equal rights all the way
[19:30]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: *
[19:30]  Tredi Felisimo: yes Wytch
[19:30]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: After days of uncertanty an doubt, with emotions riding a rollercoaster of expression, Freddy returned
[19:30]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: His service provider went down, he was in agony for days, just like she was, thinking she would never want to see him again...
[19:30]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: Upon reuniting they discussed the misunderstandings an doubt the malfunctioning technology had caused within their relationship
[19:31]  Kellie Lockwood: spam
[19:31]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: and after 2 yrs are still together today i am happy to say! But only cause they didnt let the worst over come them
[19:31]  Kellie Lockwood: annoying
[19:31]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: They didnt ASSume or if they did they spoke to friends who dispelled their assumptions.
[19:31]  Chester Dickens: I have love relationships .some are friends..and some are lovers..At this time I have Two lovers.
[19:31]  Nedaija Kytori: if ur gonna have more than one...why call it partnering????
[19:31]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: They beleived in their love an each other an ultimately overcame something that may have destroyed a weaker relationship.
[19:31]  Windows Bhalti: pls slow down
[19:31]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: Technology is buggy and you need to compensate for that in your relationships.
[19:31]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: make sure you have various avenues of communication not just online, or phone or smoke signals cause cause sometimes it rains an you cant start wet wood.
[19:31]  Kellie Lockwood: what else would you call it
[19:31]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: *
[19:31]  Kellie Lockwood: casual enounters?
[19:31]  Nedaija Kytori: call it nothing
[19:31]  Nedaija Kytori: just do what u do
[19:31]  Diamond Meness: nice
[19:31]  Kellie Lockwood: why are you negative?
[19:31]  Diamond Meness: lol
[19:31]  Cj Melgund: im sorry i dont mean 2 offened anyone hear by my language, i refer to myself as a fag, i am proud of it, sorry again
[19:31]  Chester Dickens: It's very possible to love more then one...easily in SL...each one you love has a different quality that attracts you.
[19:32]  Nedaija Kytori: im not negative....
[19:32]  You decline Rising Phoenix, Main from A group member named Truli Lionheart.
[19:32]  Perplexing Scribe: That is good advice Wytch and the story is a good example**
[19:32]  Kellie Lockwood: yeah in SL, we have to be open about the word fag. We have encountered lots of hatred
[19:32]  Nedaija Kytori: im just trying to get the point
[19:32]  Kellie Lockwood: everyone thinks we are griefers and hate us for no reason
[19:32]  Kellie Lockwood: its been hard
[19:32]  Cj Melgund: yes, i dont like people picking on me coz of the way my ava looks
[19:32]  Tredi Felisimo: what wonderful advice Wytch**
[19:32]  Kellie Lockwood: you are fat CJ
[19:32]  Cj Melgund: and being gay is nothing 2 be ashmaed of
[19:33]  Tren Neva: what you do in bed is griefing
[19:33]  Cj Melgund: yes and i love the way my ava looks as do u kellie, its not all at face value, u no me as a person
[19:33]  Kellie Lockwood: huh tren?
[19:33]  Acuminous Watanabe: LOL
[19:33]  Acuminous Watanabe: Wet wood Wytch?!?! (chuckles)
[19:33]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: this a supportive discussion while sharing your opinions please try an b considerate to what others may find offensive **
[19:33]  Cj Melgund: that a new lesbian move?
[19:33]  Tredi Felisimo: LOL ACU!!!!
[19:33]  Perplexing Scribe: The time to realize you have no way to get in touch with one another is not during a heated argumetn :)**
[19:33]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: well yeah hence the smoke signals**
[19:33]  Kellie Lockwood: people in here have labeled me as a griefer fag already.. and dont even have guts to say it to my face
[19:33]  Remington Pennyfeather: all would be solved if they got off the computer and people in the real life!
[19:33]  Remington Pennyfeather: it's a lot easier, I promise
[19:34]  Cj Melgund: just because we're lesbians and im butch doenst mean we are griefers
[19:34]  Cj Melgund: im sorry but im hurt now
[19:34]  Diamond Meness: It's possible to love more than one person, it's the level of that love that puts it in perspective. I love Jarrod....but I also have love for my ex. I love him in the sense that I would be devistated if something ever happened to him...love...real love...never leaves. And althought my Jarrod is my true love...and no one comes before him, I cant dismiss the action of LOVE merely because my ex was an ass...sorry...lol....I love strong.
[19:34]  Kellie Lockwood: the people at walmart are not my style
[19:34]  Diamond Meness: **
[19:34]  Narse Miranda: try to imagine your first life as if it were second life!
[19:34]  Tredi Felisimo: Perhaps Kellie and Cj, if you'd discuss the topic, it would help**
[19:34]  Kellie Lockwood: why are you logged in then?
[19:34]  Kellie Lockwood: if you love rl sooooo much
[19:34]  Jarrod Khandr raises both hand and yells...time out...lets get back on topic please!
[19:34]  Remington Pennyfeather: personally, I imagine my life as an RPG. I level up daily and my CHA is through the roof!!
[19:34]  Nedaija Kytori: i agree cj......but i dont wear a flag that say im "str8" i dont see where ur sexual pref in significant....
[19:35]  Nedaija Kytori: is**
[19:35]  Chester Dickens: One thing about a love relationship is that the sexual nature is activated....this does not produce jealous or possessiveness as long as it is casual..But once the heart becomes involved..then extreme wild emotions happens..one becomes very possessive and jealous. Emotional love happens.*
[19:35]  Diamond Meness: Kelly...really...yall are disrupting the chat...we arent here to hear u two fight back and forth
[19:35]  Tredi Felisimo: Jarrod... just mute them**
[19:35]  FatimaO Ochl wonders why you all dont just mute her
[19:35]  Jarrod Khandr: done
[19:35]  Remington Pennyfeather: that is when people get attached to pixels and words on a screen
[19:35]  Remington Pennyfeather: it's all an illuuuusion!
[19:36]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: have any of you had simular stories you would like to share**
[19:36]  Aphrodite Rau: hello everyone
[19:36]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: welcome aphroditie
[19:36]  Diamond Meness: Remington...if u meet someone on second life..and then exchange numbers and call and talk to them...is it still a pixel?
[19:36]  Remington Pennyfeather: yes.
[19:36]  Midnight Gregory: sorry..i'm lost..who are we muting?
[19:36]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: good point diamond**
[19:36]  Chester Dickens: It does not matter if it is an illusion or fantasty...the mind and heart will still react the same as if it was Real.
[19:36]  Diamond Meness: u have just taken the relationship to a nother level by revealing your real number and name to them
[19:36]  Michelangelo Barrowstone: many often wonder, how do people develop such intense interractions strickly through the written word - via texting in virtual environments... this makes me think back to the Victorian era during the height of 'letter writing' and the expression of emotion - heavily and strictly through the written word.
[19:36]  Diamond Meness: and i'm not a pixel on the phone
[19:36]  Jarrod Khandr: well we shared ours, but we had the benefit of knowing each other for years, so contacting was not a problem for us
[19:36]  Acuminous Watanabe: They're gone Midnight
[19:37]  Remington Pennyfeather: but you shouldn't give out your phone number to internet people. I did that once and had this 16 year old nerd with a funny voice calling my phone everyday
[19:37]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: emotions r real regarless people cant disconnect their emotions too easily**
[19:37]  Diamond Meness: ahhhhhh...so u are basing everyone's experience on your bad experience?
[19:37]  Diamond Meness: seems that way to me.
[19:37]  Nedaija Kytori: i recently just got rid of a sl cyber stalker who put my rl pic on his profile....
[19:37]  Chester Dickens: It's very dangerous to give out your RL informtion...be it of children or adults.
[19:37]  Remington Pennyfeather: also, i once knew this person who played as a sexy demon tempress. we weren't in a relationship, but friends, sort of. then I met them in real life and they were a 250 lb man who wanted to do his laundry at my friend's house
[19:38]  Nedaija Kytori: right chester
[19:38]  Acuminous Watanabe: WOW!
[19:38]  Acuminous Watanabe: Nedaija, thats unfortunate**
[19:38]  Diamond Meness: people who have or had bad experiences on line tend to be negative about online meeting and relationship**
[19:38]  Remington Pennyfeather: his name is Melding Zorger. everyone IM him.
[19:38]  Acuminous Watanabe: Hi Kinu welcome
[19:38]  Nedaija Kytori: i have to threaten to contact linden
[19:38]  Diamond Meness: that....was not right Remington
[19:38]  Perplexing Scribe: I happen to know someone who met their real life spouse in SL. Love in SL is possible**
[19:38]  Kinu Unplugged: helo
[19:38]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: many connect thro various mediums to ensure the peeps they r connecting with are consistent tru all of them forums etc**
[19:38]  Tredi Felisimo: there are ways to develop trust, I think... just as we do in RL as we give out more information about ourselves**
[19:38]  Chester Dickens: How is that Tredi?
[19:39]  Nedaija Kytori: but perp that means they have met...and did the nasty w/o pose balls
[19:39]  Perplexing Scribe: Right Tredi trust needs to be earned with time**
[19:39]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: so how can we develop trust in this enviroment?**
[19:39]  FatimaO Ochl: You hav eto know people a while to trust...dont give your phone # right away...wait**
[19:39]  Diamond Meness: If u can prove to me NO relationships ever succeed that start on SL and in turn prove to me that all relationships that meet outside of SL do survive..then I will belive you.
[19:39]  Diamond Meness: **
[19:40]  Perplexing Scribe: Neda yes they met after being together off and on in SL for nine months**
[19:40]  Jarrod Khandr: trust comes with time...SL or RL **
[19:40]  Acuminous Watanabe: Itneresting point Diamond**
[19:40]  Acuminous Watanabe: interesting
[19:40]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: how is trust earned?**
[19:40]  Tredi Felisimo: Trust is earned over time... sometimes requiring a leap of faith
[19:40]  Nedaija Kytori: right perp...im more in reference to those to live 2999999999 miles away ...never heard a voice....maybe knows a 1st name......dont have a number
[19:40]  Jarrod Khandr: trust is earned by an aquired knowledge of the person you are dealing with
[19:40]  Diamond Meness: and let's face it....the divorce rate in this country is outrageous...and i can bet 95 percent of them didnt meet on Second Life...so what's their excuse?
[19:41]  Nedaija Kytori: an email adress....but........they are in love
[19:41]  Diamond Meness: **
[19:41]  Jarrod Khandr: good point baby
[19:41]  Jarrod Khandr: **
[19:41]  Chester Dickens: and if that leap of faith has been spoiled by deceptions which have been found out..then how can trust come?
[19:41]  Tredi Felisimo: YES Diamond!
[19:41]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: so how much time has to pass b4 u trust someone?**
[19:41]  Perplexing Scribe: Right trust is earned when one has invested time in a relationship and not let the other down**
[19:42]  Tredi Felisimo: It has to be earned Chester. Actually, I start out with trust, then you and either build on it or lose it**
[19:42]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: people make mistakes can they b forgiven?**
[19:42]  Diamond Meness: yes Wytch
[19:42]  Diamond Meness: all mistakes can be forgiven
[19:42]  Jarrod Khandr: the time is dependant upon the individuals involved
[19:42]  Tredi Felisimo agrees with Wytch
[19:42]  Nedaija Kytori: its more about what they do....not a time limit
[19:42]  Perplexing Scribe: I think that it has alot to do with how much time people spend together**
[19:42]  Nedaija Kytori: correct jerrod
[19:42]  Jarrod Khandr: some trust too quickly, some take too long to trust**
[19:42]  Tredi Felisimo: luck of the draw too Perplexing!
[19:42]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: what about communication how does it play into trust?**
[19:43]  Chester Dickens: That is the best question Wytch*
[19:43]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: ty chester :)**
[19:43]  Tredi Felisimo: I think, if you have a question, you have to ASK it... not let it sit and fester**
[19:43]  Jarrod Khandr: the more you actually communicate the more likely you are to be trusting (ex Communications Sergeant)
[19:43]  Diamond Meness: lol...I laugh at all the women who have approached my husband on this game...lol.....but if he has a contracted job to do..and most ...98 percent of his clients are women...lol....I have complete trust ..i'll go to sleep and not have a care in the world**
[19:44]  Acuminous Watanabe: In SL that's a tricy one, since words can be interpreted so many ways... and we are all invested in our perceptions... what we beleive is true about the other person behind the screen. I think CIVILITY is vital in SL... to address the issues without ATTACKING the person**
[19:44]  FatimaO Ochl: If you ask you also have to be willing to hear what s said versus what you just want to hear**
[19:44]  Perplexing Scribe: Oh Wytch that is a good question. Healthy communication is the key. Honesty and vulnerability are important**
[19:44]  Acuminous Watanabe: tricky*
[19:44]  Jarrod Khandr: good point Fatima
[19:44]  Tredi Felisimo nods at FatimaO
[19:45]  Windows Bhalti: i trust everyone initially until/unless they break that trust via their own violation...and why not? we are all human beings deserving of trust unless, as i say, reason is given not to. Trust is different than commonsense, tho, and the necessity to keep one's self safe.
[19:45]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: what do u do if one of the partners is less comfortable with communication how can u help them?**
[19:45]  Tredi Felisimo: great point Windows**
[19:45]  Perplexing Scribe: Good point Windows**
[19:46]  Acuminous Watanabe: That's great Windows... very loving :))**
[19:46]  Tredi Felisimo: bring them to this discussion, Wytch??**
[19:46]  Diamond Meness: funny thing is...and maybe not so funny...is that I do believe a relationship can survive cheating....when you are cheated on....does that mean you dont love that person any less than 4 mins before you found out?...Not at all...that's why you are so hurt.
[19:46]  Acuminous Watanabe: LOL
[19:46]  Acuminous Watanabe: Tredi... YEAH!
[19:46]  Windows Bhalti: *grins
[19:46]  Jarrod Khandr: well Wytch, I feel that is called a barrier to communication, and we have to overcome those barriers...if we so choose to**
[19:46]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: lol tredi**
[19:46]  Chester Dickens: It's very hard for people to be completely honest...there are fears with that. The fear that of not being accepted or the lossing of that relationship. So truth is often buffered.
[19:46]  Acuminous Watanabe: I think being open to LISTENING, even if you don't agree is a good start Wytch.**
[19:47]  Windows Bhalti: that's true, Chester
[19:47]  FatimaO Ochl: agreed Chester and today so many people will not even be truthful with themselves much less a partner**
[19:47]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: any ideas how to over come communication barriers?**
[19:47]  Aphrodite Rau: if you are honest, How do u expect others to be?
[19:47]  Acuminous Watanabe: MUTE
[19:47]  Acuminous Watanabe: just kidding
[19:47]  Perplexing Scribe: lol
[19:47]  Jarrod Khandr: lol
[19:47]  Diamond Meness: lol...I just say..." Let's agree..to diagree"
[19:47]  Diamond Meness: disagree
[19:47]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: lol that is a comptomise diamond an its a good one **
[19:48]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: compromise**
[19:48]  Jarrod Khandr: someone pointed out LISTENING...even if you dont agree, thats one step in the right direction
[19:48]  Tredi Felisimo: just can't give up on them Wytch... if you really love them**
[19:48]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: agreed tredi**
[19:48]  Perplexing Scribe: There are alot of good tools to learn communication, books, classes, counseling, groups like this :)**
[19:48]  Nedaija Kytori: i met a guy online and when i asked for a pic he sent me one of his nephew...when i met him he was 350+lbs......i was pissed and i showed it......should ihave been less obvious???
[19:48]  Chester Dickens: agreed Tredi***
[19:48]  Acuminous Watanabe: You also have to know when to walk away Tredi... when it is healthier to be apart**
[19:48]  Tredi Felisimo agrees with Acu
[19:49]  Diamond Meness: wow Nedaija....
[19:49]  Diamond Meness: I dont even know how to respond to that
[19:49]  Jarrod Khandr: lol
[19:49]  Perplexing Scribe: Agreed Acuminous, unfortunatley sometimes love is not enough**
[19:49]  Acuminous Watanabe: You were devieved Nedaija, I think most would be upset/frustrated**
[19:49]  Acuminous Watanabe: decieved*
[19:49]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: everyone needs cave person time telling your partner so the dont feel rejected is important**
[19:49]  Jarrod Khandr: and there goes the trust levele
[19:49]  Diamond Meness: love is never enough
[19:50]  Nedaija Kytori: agreed
[19:50]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: they**
[19:50]  Tee Auster: maybe our expectations for love are not realistic
[19:50]  Nedaija Kytori: awww dont say that tee
[19:50]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: expectations can b changed an each relationship is diffrent**
[19:50]  Perplexing Scribe: It takes two working at, if one has no desire to learn to communicate better it is best to cut your losses love cannot survive when communication completely breaks down**
[19:50]  Acuminous Watanabe: How so Tee?
[19:50]  Chester Dickens: You can love more then ONE. and that is problem with many. The relationship may have begun of the exclusiveness of that relationship...and then since it is so easy to fall in love in SL. You find yourself loving others. And you don't want to loose either.
[19:50]  Jarrod Khandr: then we have to define realistic...and there are about a few million answers to that**
[19:50]  Diamond Meness: one must accept everything about a person....his faults and his dislikes.....problem is....we always trying to fix someone into our 'fantasy' of what we want them to be...and instead..not accepting them for who they are...faults and all.
[19:50]  Diamond Meness: **
[19:50]  Tee Auster: Sometimes I feel like I want to be in a Disney movie
[19:51]  FatimaO Ochl: expectations can bee too ideal. I agree with Tee
[19:51]  FatimaO Ochl: relationships are messy and thats ok**
[19:51]  Perplexing Scribe: Tee Hee Tee
[19:51]  FatimaO Ochl: and normal**
[19:51]  Nedaija Kytori: my gf warned me about honeymoon period.....i dont believe in that bs.....i belivee love can be strong in a relationship always....ur relationship and love will be what u strive it to be
[19:51]  Tee Auster: ;)
[19:51]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: should we expect things from others we r not willing to do ourselves?**
[19:51]  Acuminous Watanabe: A perfect relationship in a perfect world where we never argue, the sex is always good and we are both always beautiful... right Tee?**
[19:51]  Diamond Meness: no Wytch
[19:52]  Tee Auster: yes, sounds like sl to me
[19:52]  Perplexing Scribe: lol
[19:52]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: thats were great make up sex comes in acu **
[19:52]  Acuminous Watanabe: another way of looking at it is perhaps we can never have perfections, but maybe wanting it will bring us closer to excellence?**
[19:52]  Chester Dickens: NO Wytch*...you should not expect that of another which you can not do yourself**
[19:52]  Acuminous Watanabe: perfection*
[19:52]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: i agree chester**
[19:52]  Nedaija Kytori: put is prefection the same as flawless?
[19:53]  Tee Auster: good one Chester
[19:53]  Acuminous Watanabe: Lowering standards is never a good thing, but being realistic and able to accept the limitations of our humaness will bring you more happines and less disappointment**
[19:53]  Diamond Meness: just accept them for who they are...faults and all....and that's the problem....we dont take the time to get to know a person's faults....it's never shown in the beginning...so we fall in 'love' with that perfect person and then a week later, when they are comfortable u get mad cuz they leave the dirty dishes in the sink...or they throw their dirty socks in with the clean clothes!! **
[19:53]  Tredi Felisimo: Do as I say, not as I do?** oy!
[19:53]  Chester Dickens: I have Two Lovers now..both know it..we are perfectly honest about. and there is NO problem.
[19:54]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: what do we consider the small stuff what are the priorities in our relationships?**
[19:54]  Tredi Felisimo: I just hear you can't PARTNER with them both Chester
[19:54]  Chester Dickens: The communication and honesty was there...and accepted.
[19:54]  Nedaija Kytori: toilet seat up is small
[19:54]  FatimaO Ochl: hmmmm
[19:54]  Chester Dickens: no partnership..Lovers.
[19:54]  Jarrod Khandr: so who if anyone gets partnered?
[19:54]  Acuminous Watanabe: I think honesty helps Chester, it allows everyone to make an edcated choice about whether tehy want the relationship or not under those conditions... not the same when honesty is not present**
[19:54]  Jarrod Khandr: or is it agreed that one comes before the other?
[19:54]  Diamond Meness: priorities in my relationship is...acceptance
[19:54]  Diamond Meness: once u have that
[19:54]  Diamond Meness: everything else falls in place
[19:54]  Perplexing Scribe: Perfection does not exist, we are meant to grow and evolve. Perfection leaves us always striving for something unatainable and always frustrated. We need to love our imperfections in both ourselves and our loved ones**
[19:54]  Jarrod Khandr: all natural questions that spark emotions
[19:54]  Acuminous Watanabe: sounds like good commnication though**
[19:55]  Acuminous Watanabe: I agree Perplexing**
[19:55]  Diamond Meness: I accept his faults...he accept mines.....lol....actually it's his faults that i love the most!..gigglin
[19:55]  Chester Dickens: Now.I have thoughts on this..to love many is like a pond that is wide but shallow..and to love one is like pond that is small but deep. So you have a choice. In which way you love.
[19:55]  Jarrod Khandr: lol, gee thanks baby ;)
[19:55]  Acuminous Watanabe: that's a beautiful thing Diamond**
[19:56]  Perplexing Scribe: Wow Chester that is profound!
[19:56]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: someones flaws are anothers diamond**
[19:56]  Acuminous Watanabe: Interesting perspective Chester :))**
[19:56]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: i agree chester everyone loves diffrently**
[19:56]  Chester Dickens: For the deepest love....ONE to ONE
[19:56]  Diamond Meness: i personally cant be in a relationship with more than one person.....but that works for others....so....i dont question it....**
[19:57]  Diamond Meness: just isnt for me
[19:57]  Nedaija Kytori: agreed
[19:57]  Tee Auster: I am a serial monogmyst
[19:57]  Acuminous Watanabe: jarrod's daimond
[19:57]  Jarrod Khandr: thats right!!
[19:57]  Jarrod Khandr: thats mine!
[19:57]  Acuminous Watanabe: diamond... I'll spell it right one week (LOL)
[19:57]  Diamond Meness: lol
[19:57]  Perplexing Scribe: I agree Diamond. I think it is a personal choice, Just best to hook up with someone else who agrees :)**
[19:57]  FatimaO Ochl: I do wonder though whether those that choose to be in a relationship where they are not primary are truthful about saying it doesnt matter**
[19:57]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: what have you learned from this discussion today?**
[19:57]  Chester Dickens: well many are afraid of deep love..it is full of wildness...the joys are greater..and also the pain
[19:57]  Acuminous Watanabe: Hi erica, welcome
[19:58]  Acuminous Watanabe: I have learned to be quicker on the trigger finger
[19:58]  Acuminous Watanabe: LOL
[19:58]  Diamond Meness: it's unbelieveable...i learned that people still try to change people. biggest mistake in the world when it comes to a relationship.
[19:58]  Erica Static: Thank you :)
[19:58]  Acuminous Watanabe: sorry, you all know I hate to eject.. I love everyone...(winks)**
[19:58]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: just think on that im gonna wrap up**
[19:58]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: If you would like to join the SL/RL Relationships Group, please IM and I'd be happy to send you an invite.
[19:58]  Nedaija Kytori: i think if people were dedicated to their principles instead of their mate many relationships would last
[19:58]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: If you are maxxed, you may join via the kiosk behind me and your membership will not affect your 25 group limit.
[19:58]  Perplexing Scribe: Yes Chester they are two sides of the same coin.**
[19:58]  Tee Auster: Agree w/ Diamond
[19:58]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: You might also join our webgroup at http://www.slprofiles.com/groups/slrlrelationships the regular "SL/RL Synthesis Notes" are posted there as well for comment/discussion.
[19:58]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: If you have not done so already, please touch the sign behind me to recieve information about our group, The Delphi (self exploration) Project and a freebie! :))
[19:59]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: I'd like to remind you all that the discussions are logged so a transcript is available for members. It will also be posted to the webgroup.
[19:59]  FatimaO Ochl: ((LOL finally Acu!!))
[19:59]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: If you would like your comments made anonymous, please IM me and I'd be happy to do so. :))
[19:59]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: If any of you have things you'd like to discuss more privately, I am available for private consultation, IM me to schedule a time. These consultations are provided for a donation to continue to support the
[19:59]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: group mission.
[19:59]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: If you have an IM in queue, please know that I am coming around as quickly as I can.
[19:59]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: Thanks so much for coming!!!!
[19:59]  Chester Dickens: Well..when more of the wholeness of your being is involved..the deeper you go into love.
[19:59]  Tee Auster: Thank you Wytch
[19:59]  Jarrod Khandr: I have learned I need to learn speed reading...just kidding :)
[19:59]  FatimaO Ochl: lol Wytch ended us right on time...a minute early
[19:59]  Acuminous Watanabe: but the group tip jar is in back and helps support the parcel
[19:59]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: im al soo happy u all came
[19:59]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: am*
[19:59]  Windows Bhalti: think of someone you can't divorce, can't unlove e.g. one or both of your parents, your spouse, your partner, offspring, friend, whoever, one someone. Then think why you love that person, then if that person has any imperfections, then the realization that you love them thru thick and thin- that's what real love is. (sorry a little slow on the uptake here *smiles sheepishly)**
[19:59]  Perplexing Scribe: Thank you Wytch
[20:00]  Nedaija Kytori: i enjoyed u all...nice to know there is more to sl other than nude beaches
[20:00]  Acuminous Watanabe: Please also visit the LOVE Expressed show next door for LOVingly designed gifts
[20:00]  Acuminous Watanabe: proceeds support the group as well. :))
[20:00]  FatimaO Ochl: np Windows...its all good
[20:00]  Jarrod Khandr: nude beaches??? where?
[20:00]  Nedaija Kytori: lol@jerrod
[20:00]  Windows Bhalti: bye all, tc
[20:00]  Acuminous Watanabe: TC Windows
[20:00]  FatimaO Ochl: nite windows
[20:00]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: i hope u will all feel welcome to coe again an i enjoyed all your insights**
[20:00]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: come*
[20:01]  Chester Dickens: Thank you all for allowing me to express my views. Blessings to all here. I will come again!!!
[20:01]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: huge group hugs
[20:01]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: ty jarrod**
[20:01]  Tee Auster: nite...thanks for the insight
[20:01]  Chester Dickens: Goodnight everyone. Love all you.
[20:01]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: sweet dreams when u go**
[20:02]  FatimaO Ochl: tc every one
[20:02]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: tc**
[20:02]  Chester Dickens: ty
[20:02]  Perplexing Scribe: Good night I really enjoyed this
[20:02]  Michelangelo Barrowstone: goodnight all
[20:02]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: im so glad**
[20:04]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: thanks tredi an acu 4 your kick ass support
[20:05]  Tredi Felisimo: YAYYY!! Wytchie!!!!
[20:05]  Tredi Felisimo: so sorry I CRASHED!!! (I swear I didn't bail!)
[20:05]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: i really enjoyed that
[20:05]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: lol its ok tredi i dont ASSume
[20:05]  Tredi Felisimo: lol
[20:05]  Tredi Felisimo: you rock Wytch!
[20:05]  Tredi Felisimo: great job
[20:05]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: u rock!
[20:06]  Perplexing Scribe: Yes well done Wytch
[20:06]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: aww ty im just glad peeps got something out of it
[20:06]  Tredi Felisimo: n' roll :-))
[20:07]  Tredi Felisimo: Jarrod and Diamond, you two are true inspiration!
[20:07]  Acuminous Watanabe: Tredi, Wytch
[20:07]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: agreed tredi
[20:07]  Jarrod Khandr: thank you Tredi, thats very kind of you
[20:07]  Acuminous Watanabe: Welcome Diamond and Jarrod to the group of Guides :))
[20:07]  Tredi Felisimo: YAYYY!!!!!!
[20:08]  Diamond Meness: YAY!
[20:08]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: congrats u2!
[20:09]  Jarrod Khandr: thank you so much
[20:09]  Tredi Felisimo: on
[20:09]  Diamond Meness: ty so much!
[20:09]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: lol trdei
[20:09]  Diamond Meness: lol
[20:09]  Jarrod Khandr: I promise to serve the office to which I am appoin...well ya know
[20:10]  Tredi Felisimo gave you Thriller Dancer.
[20:10]  Kalina Firelyte: is this for true love group?
[20:10]  Diamond Meness: ditto
[20:10]  Thriller Dancer: Say 'on' or 'off'to turn me on or off, or 'help' for more commands
[20:10]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: on
[20:10]  Acuminous Watanabe: Hi Kalina :))
[20:10]  Kalina Firelyte: HI!
[20:10]  Thriller Dancer: Say 'on' or 'off'to turn me on or off, or 'help' for more commands
[20:10]  Acuminous Watanabe: Did you just arrive?
[20:10]  Kalina Firelyte: yes
[20:10]  Diamond Meness: on
[20:10]  Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: hi aww true love angel thats awesome we need more of those in the world